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Post by sgtniedrauer Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:47 am

This has been a very controverisal topic in Civil Air Patrol circles. So I'm gonna throw the question out here and come back with my opinion after I get some replies.

The question: What is your opinion on CAP Relationships (Guy/Girl), and what restrictions should be placed to ensure that everyone stays professional?
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Post by Add01 Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:08 am

I think that any relationships between cadets should stay OUT OF MEETING TIME. Also, the CAP regs forbid PDA in order for everyone to remain professional.
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Post by Cadet Tillett Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:55 am

Add01 wrote:I think that any relationships between cadets should stay OUT OF MEETING TIME. Also, the CAP regs forbid PDA in order for everyone to remain professional.

My view exactly. I don't care what my cadets do outside the program as long as they don't break the law, but there is no place for any of this within the program or meeting. It is expressly forbidden in CAPR 52-16.

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Post by Texan[13]Queen Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:56 am

Agreed. If the cadets aren't mature enough to know to keep it out of meetings, activities, and other CAP related events then they aren't mature enough to have a relationship. If they make sure that it stays out of the meetings and such and it doesn't interfere with anything then I'm fine with it. Just as long as they keep their professionalism and keep the separation between inside of CAP and outside of CAP
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Post by CASH172 Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:15 pm

I would also expand this onto IACE. Stuff has happened on those trips.

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Post by sgtniedrauer Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:45 pm

I hate to say this, but the "keep it out of meetings" thing never works. Especially if the relationship is superior to subordinate. No matter what the policy is, the treatment of that individual(s) will be different.

A relationship to that degree cannot just be "turned off". I've seen this happen too many times.
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Post by C/Correa Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:13 pm

I think CAP relationships are okay as long as NO affection is shown at a CAP activity/meeting , or in uniform.
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Post by CASH172 Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:48 pm

C/Correa wrote:I think CAP relationships are okay as long as NO affection is shown at a CAP activity/meeting , or in uniform.

Tell that to Diane Zamora and David Graham. Just cause something happens out of CAP doesn't mean CAP's image won't become tarnished.

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Post by thp Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:41 pm

CASH172 wrote:Just cause something happens out of CAP doesn't mean CAP's image won't become tarnished.

So true...

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Post by sgtniedrauer Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:31 pm

CASH172 wrote:
C/Correa wrote:I think CAP relationships are okay as long as NO affection is shown at a CAP activity/meeting , or in uniform.

Tell that to Diane Zamora and David Graham. Just cause something happens out of CAP doesn't mean CAP's image won't become tarnished.

And once again, IT DOESN'T stay out of meetings.
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Post by CASH172 Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:44 pm

sgtniedrauer wrote:

And once again, IT DOESN'T stay out of meetings.

Do you know who those two people were?

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Post by RogueLeader Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:20 pm

CASH172 wrote:I would also expand this onto IACE. Stuff has happened on those trips.

CAP Regs are valid no matter where you are in the World. So long that you are a member, on CAP duty- IACE could be considered as On-Duty All time- would still be enforceable. In fact, I would have even higher expectations of our members when others are around, or in another country.

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Post by sgtniedrauer Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:23 am

CASH172 wrote:
sgtniedrauer wrote:

And once again, IT DOESN'T stay out of meetings.

Do you know who those two people were?

I wasn't necessarily refering to them, but yes I know who they are/what they did.
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Post by Cadet Tillett Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:45 am

Here's something I found on the CAP web site in one of the publications:
The Air Force has always prohibited unduly familiar personal relationships between leaders and followers to avoid favoritism, preferential treatment, or other actions that undermine order, discipline, and unit morale.

Similarly, it is important for CAP members to avoid unduly familiar relationships with other members, while recognizing that proper social interactions and appropriate personal relationships are necessary to unit morale, esprit de corps, and effective mentoring.

It is not inherently improper for cadets to have personal or romantic relationships with other cadets. However, relationships between cadets of substantially different ranks, or between cadets within the chain-of-command, are discouraged.

Because adults have intrinsic supervisory authority over cadets, adult members will not date or have intimate romantic relationships with cadets at any time, regardless of the circumstances.

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